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Cornettos

Postby enaef » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:20 am

Hi
I am working on the Missa Bruxellensis from Heinrich Ignaz Franz von Biber in Finale 2012.
Two Cornettos (Cornet/Zink; medieval/baroque instrument) play an important part.
I am looking for the best garritan sound for that. At the moment I use piccolo which is not satisfying of course. Trumpet does not work, as the cornettos play very high.
Here a good example on youtube of how cornettos sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFVNdp4XiQY

I also own the Garritan World Instruments.

Thanks for suggestions.
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Re: Cornettos

Postby Credo » Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:11 pm

enaef wrote:Hi
I am working on the Missa Bruxellensis from Heinrich Ignaz Franz von Biber in Finale 2012.
Two Cornettos (Cornet/Zink; medieval/baroque instrument) play an important part.
I am looking for the best garritan sound for that. At the moment I use piccolo which is not satisfying of course. Trumpet does not work, as the cornettos play very high.
Here a good example on youtube of how cornettos sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFVNdp4XiQY

I also own the Garritan World Instruments.

Thanks for suggestions.
Ernst


Give the stuff in the bagpipe family a try (Europe, winds, bag pipes and chanters).

You could also try layering some sounds...I.E. Double the part with Oboe and/or Bassoon, and a soft muted trumpet. Use EQ on each patch to shape the sounds a bit.
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Re: Cornettos

Postby Derrek » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:08 pm

GWI has a Folk Shawm.
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Re: Cornettos

Postby Rich936 » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:16 am

A Shawm is a double reed (like an oboe) and does not have the sound of a zink or cornetto. I play in a group of early musicians and the zink player has a mouthpiece like a trumpet. I play the shawn (poorly I might add) so I know what it sounds like (well at least what I sound like when I play it).

The best idea I have seen so far is to layer oboe/bassoon with a muted trumpet. Get the balance right and it could pass for a cornetto. It would have to be the piccolo trumpet for the range problem.
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Re: Cornettos

Postby Credo » Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:04 am

Rich936 wrote:A Shawm is a double reed (like an oboe) and does not have the sound of a zink or cornetto. I play in a group of early musicians and the zink player has a mouthpiece like a trumpet. I play the shawn (poorly I might add) so I know what it sounds like (well at least what I sound like when I play it).

The best idea I have seen so far is to layer oboe/bassoon with a muted trumpet. Get the balance right and it could pass for a cornetto. It would have to be the piccolo trumpet for the range problem.


It's possible to make a copy of the sfz files in your Garritan library and then open your copy in a text editor to extend the range of instruments a bit. Granted it wouldn't be the best quality when stretching the pitch of samples 'too far' out of their range, but it 'might' yield some useable results.

Also, if you have access to a real cornetto at all, or know someone that does...if you can get a recording of a few takes of them playing the chromatic scale with a few articulation styles in the driest room possible (long steady tones with some space in-between), I'd be more than glad to help try to build some patches for the public domain. I'm by no means an expert at sound crafting acoustic instruments, but I'm more than willing to put up a foundation for others to use and improve upon.
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Re: Cornettos

Postby enaef » Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:39 am

Hi everybody

Thank you very much for your suggestions and sorry for not replying earlier.

As I am only a "basic user" of the garritan sounds an am not sophisticated with layering and adapting sfz-files I tried the Shawm (which comes nearer to the sound of a Zink than the Piccolo certainly, but certainly also does not completely sound like a Zink).

However, as I use the sound "only" for rehearsal-files for our choir I think this is good enough. At the moment I am in fact not sure if I should not change all the instrument sounds to piano in order to emphasize the choir voices.
Usually I have a piano reduction, where I obviously play the piano part with the Stainway sound, the voice which is to be emphasized with b-Clarinette (Sopranos or Altos) or Trombone (Tenors or Basses) and the rest of the choir voices with Choir-Ahs.

In this case (Biber Bruxellensis) I got the whole orchestral parts, not only a piano reduction.

So - thanks again!
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